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Boy Scouts Save Iowa June 14, 2008

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Is anyone surprised this sort of fuckmookery has crawled out from beneath the rocks where it lives?

Cedar Rapids is under water and 15 people have died as a result of the flooding. Of course this story has been in the news but I can’t help but wondering where all the network trailers are. I can’t help wondering where FEMA is and where are all the protesters demonstrating against perceived government inaction on this one?

Also, where are all the dead bodies floating around while hoodlums roam the streets shooting at people and looting stores?

What is it about this storm that is at least as bad, if not worse, than Katrina that has left us without stories of devastation caused by the government’s failure to swoop in and help people? Why don’t we have music stars on TV holding a telethon to raise money while they proclaim that George Bush hates white people?

Why is it that teen aged boys, members of the Boy Scouts, were able to respond immediately to render first aid to the injured and dig out those trapped in the rubble when adults in New Orleans seemed incapable of helping themselves?

Perhaps this goes back to the thoughts I had about dependence on government…

My initial response to this was to post a comment that 1) expressed surprise that 32,000 square miles of Iowa had been devastated and between 2 and 3 million people displaced from their homes. I had no idea. I’m so sorry. Oh, wait, what hundreds of people? Oh, never mind.

My next response was: fuckmook.

I grow weary but feel obligated to call these people out: what happened across the Hurricane Coast in 2005 was the largest disaster ever to strike the United States. Thousands died, and continue to die of Katrina and evacuation related causes. Eighty percent of New Orleans was flooded for weeks and in some cases months, and the coastal zones of Mississippi and Southwest Louisiana were wiped from the face of the earth. Hundreds of thousands of people remain displaced from their homes approaching three years later. So don’t be bringing me your piss ant little crick floods and ice storms and tell me, oh, people up here would never behave like those people in New Orleans after Katrina.

Let’s review the facts once again for the people who’ve been living exclusively on barbecue potato chips, Bud lite and Fox news for so long that they have suffered some sort of brain damage. The tens of thousands of “those people” trapped in New Orleans were primarily here because they had no car, no way to evacuate themselves. Some had cars but probably not enough ready cash to for the two or three tanks of gas it might have taken them to get out of state while crawling at 20 mph along the interstate in massive bumper-to-bumper traffic jams. Many of those cars were probably of the sort I drove when I first started out as a suburban newspaper journalist, earning a salary in the high four figures (pause for translation into an actual number). Many of the junk heaps people in that earning bracket drive would have broken down on the evacuation routes and caused further havoc.

When the Federal levees failed because of the well-demonstrated shoddy engineering practices of the United States Army Corps of Engineers (and may everyone involved in the design and construction of the levees be sent to Iraq to clear IEDs, with the people of New Orleans getting to vote on whether they get to have bomb squad armor or we get to have functional levees)–(sorry for the digression); when the Federal levees failed, most of the people who stayed had perhaps a day or two of food and water. They were not a few blocks from rescue by the local fire department or even, god forbid, Boy Scouts. They were miles from relief, surrounded by water that would stand for months.

There were not a few hundred of them. There were tens of thousands. I’m sure all of the Boy Scouts of Iowa could have taken care of this in a few hours, providing expert first aid as needed and then lashed together some lovely temporary housing for them and after they were done: s’mores for everyone. What actually happened is that Louisiana dispatched the guys (and gals) from the state’s Wildlife and Fisheries Department with their numerous flatboats for patrolling the marsh. And the indolent people of south Louisiana launched the Cajun Navy, thousands of guys with boats who just hitched up and came, unasked. The Coast Guard got a show in the Discovery Channel about Katrina. The WL&F folks and the Cajun Navy get forgotten by America. But not by us.

Meanwhile the United States and its armed forces sat on their hands and wondered what they should do. The Navy dispatched a hospital ship following directly in the hurricanes wake ready to help, and it sat idle off the coast waiting for orders form the C-I-C, who was busy elsewhere huddling with Karl Rove trying to figure out how to spin this instead of trying to figure out how to help. While George Bush (who I understand really does like Black people, just not overdone) sat with his thumb up his ass looking for plumbs, our otherwise ditzy former governor had managed to ask the National Guard of the other forty-nine states for help, and they promptly responded. Of course she later decided it was too dangerous for most of them to go in, based on the panicked statements of our mayor and former chief of police. Lots of government stupidity to go around at all levels, no doubt about that.

So while most of the out-of state rescuers sat parked outside of town people who could wade or swim made their way to the designated points, the Superdome and Convention center, and sat there. And sat there. And sat there until the food and the water ran out and the toilets stopped working. And then they sat there some more, and some of them died, while the national news crews who managed to get into the city watched them and their rescuers sat in Baton Rouge or the West Bank trying to decide what they should do. Those who showed the initiative to try to walk away from the Convention Center were met by helpful members of the Gretna, Louisiana Police Department, who pointed M-16s at their heads and told them to turn back. They would not be allowed into their dry city across the river.

Our fuckmook of the day finishes his comment with the usual talking point: what happened in New Orleans was the result of government dependence. Having apparently spent the 1990s surfing the internet for nude pictures of Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter, he seems to have missed this thing called welfare reform. Most of the people at the convention center were the people who hold minimum wage (or in the hospitality industry, sub-minimum wage) jobs keeping our beer-and-beads, tits-and-t-shirt economy turning. The rest were the elderly and the disabled, the only people in this country who still qualify for any sort of long-term welfare. Instead he dusts off the old lie to make sure everyone understands that it was all our own fault and none of theirs.

Funny they always turn to this idea. When an email started circulating about how the people of North Dakota surviving an ice storm without looting or government rescue, they said the same thing. Now I know a thing or two about North Dakota, having lived their for 10 years. It’s a lovely place that would be an empty dust bowl if it were not for massive government subsidies of agriculture, and two large Air Force installations that exist primarily to prop up the local economy. They even get subsidized electricity, courtesy of the government-built WAPA power system out west. I sure could use some of that down here, but instead I get immense utility bills because our local utility has structured itself so that we have to pay the full cost of restoring our city’s electric and gas infrastructure ourselves.

The fact is the last real government-tit-sucking welfare queens are the row crop and sugar farmers, and I am sure that Iowa has its share. I won’t retype the entire long post I wrote about the North Dakota ice storm that addresses this. You can read it here.

In the end I want to return to the test I first proposed in 2005. I want to plop this asshole on the roof of a house down here in August, with no food and maybe a couple of bottle of water. Across the street will be a fully stocked convenience store. We will leave him up there and see precisely how long it takes him to climb down and smash that window and start taking water. I give him a couple of days at most.

I don’t want anyone to think I am taking this out on the people of Iowa. I am not. I’m only concerned with armchair fuckmooks of Big Dogs sort. Unless of course there are people in Iowa who hear stuff like this and think: yeah, we’re not like them. For those people I have this question: what have you done that your god has punished you so?

Update 9-16: If there is any doubt in your mind how I or people in New Orleans feel about our friends in Iowa (as opposed to fuckmooks like Big Dog), then please read this, and this,

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1. Josh Maxwell - June 14, 2008

Can you tell me who did your layout? I’ve been looking for one kind of like yours. Thank you.

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2. New Orleans News Ladder - June 14, 2008

“We were about to watch a movie,” said Taylor Willoughby, another Scout who survived. “The lights went out. Our scoutmaster came screaming in: ‘Get down on the ground!’ We all did, and about five seconds after that the roof was ripped off and everything was gone.”

‘Blood everywhere’
The tornado destroyed four cabins, the boys said, partially burying boys under the rubble. Those who weren’t hurt rushed immediately to the aid of their fellows, using their Scout training.

“When the tornado was gone, the first thing I saw was a guy on the ground with his head split open. There was blood everywhere,” Willoughby told Curry. “The scoutmaster yelled to get help. I was one of the first five people to get up and sprint down to the main office building to get help and try to call 911.”

Another Scout, Ethan Hession, confirmed that the Scouts lived up to their motto. “We were prepared,” he said. “We knew that shock could happen. We knew to put tourniquets on wounds that were bleeding too much. We knew we needed to apply pressure and gauze. We had first-aid kits. We had everything. We knew about this. We knew how to do it.”

Hession said he helped an adult scoutmaster treat the boy whose head was cut open, holding the Scout down while the adult applied pressure and gauze to the boy’s wound.

Quick reactions
“Just how fast these people reacted and how they reacted was amazing to me,” Willoughby said. “You wouldn’t expect that from a normal 13-year-old boy, but being Boy Scouts, we knew what we were doing.”

Another Scout, Zach Jessen, spoke to Curry after being treated at a hospital for a bruised arm. “We saw the funnel coming toward us,” he said. “By that time, it was almost here.”

He said he dove under a table and threw himself over another Scout to shield him. Jessen said he got hit in the back by some falling stones and in the arm by a chair.

“He’s an incredible boy,” Zach’s mother told Curry. “Just an incredible boy.”

The tornado destroyed all the buildings and ripped up most of the tents on the 1,800-acre camp. The four dead boys were killed by a chimney and fireplace that collapsed on them, Scout officials said.

Iowa Governor Chet Culver confirmed to Curry on the scene that the four dead were Scouts.

“All four of the young men who were killed are Scouts,” he said. “These young men, these Scouts, were the most outstanding leaders in their communities. We’ve very proud of those young men. They responded as quickly as they could. Think lives were saved. They were the real heroes of this story.”

I can certainly feel your rage and you know it if you have read any of my posts on this.
I am just saying…be careful where you wade in comparing peoples’ reactions to disaster, whether right now upstream or the armed animal that I became during that first week of the Federal Flood. Death is the Existential Quantifier, Noble Wet Guy.
How many is too many and how much is enough?
Editilla

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3. New Orleans News Ladder - June 14, 2008

And btw…I just went over there and ripped that forking corksucker a few new ones myself. I am wit’ya, Mon. I am just wary of stepping in their shit’traps…getting drawn into dignifying it with ShiNOLA! I thought I knew the difference.
Aaaarrrrggggnnnnn….
Editilla

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4. New Orleans News Ladder - June 14, 2008

OK…I’ve softened him up to the point of his making typos and siting experience with FEMA. Now its time for one of you smart bloggers to administer some better krewe de gras. Someone nice, smart. Someone with manners that I will never have. Otherwise y’all gonna let my embarrassing ho’shit stand alone? I didn’t find this turd but will gladly bag it.
Editilla
Sinn Féin

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5. doctorj - June 14, 2008

He is just a plain old jerk. I have discovered since the storm America is infested with a lot of them. I prefer to think of the volunteers when I think of my countrymen.

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6. New Orleans News Ladder - June 14, 2008

Oh Yeah! Oh Yeah…Oh Forkin’Yeah!
Noble Wet Guy, I’ll play on your dodge ball team aaaannnyyy time. Me, I use a blunt ax on da’cons…so they’ll remember me as their no’brain falls deeper into syzygy’d coma. But you! You use a scalpel, so they can’t use can’t even use their tongues any more without sounding funny. Man, I wish I could do that, but, as the storm uncoiled my sense of taste and timing, I can’t seem to get passed bitin’they tiny heads off and niblin’they tiny feets…juggle they’little voodoo dolls.
Your dog will hunt. Big Dog is a pussy.
Vivent Longtemps la Marée Croissante Trois!

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7. Sophmom - June 14, 2008

I suppose we’re all doomed to this thought process any time anything happens. What were they doing living so close to the river (or the forest that might burn, or the fault….) is always the first thing in my head when disaster strikes, and likely always will be. And the mooks in a hurry to point out how much better everyone else is at disaster surviving than are New Orleanians are never going to go away or get a clue. They’re never going to know that when they say that stuff out loud and online, they just show their own stupid asses.

I watched some of the coverage today and it’s heartbreaking. I feel so badly for those folks, and instantly started wondering what universities were affected, immediately thinking it was probably better because it was summer instead of freshman move-in. I also realized that most of those folks probably had their own cars in which to evacuate. I’ve always understood that so many New Orleanians didn’t. I understood it that weekend in 2005, watching that bitch approach, knowing too many would be left there, and too many of them either elderly or disabled or those who stayed to care for them. But today for the first time (just when I thought I’d never have another new realization about It), I realized that so many in New Orleans don’t have cars, not just because there was a large population of (*gasp*) poor people, but because the city of New Orleans has done a pretty damn good job of providing a working public transportation system for its citizens and they can live and work without a car, as my son did during his four years in college htere. Isn’t this what we want for our future if we’re to reduce our dependence on foreign oil? Isn’t this right and good?

Anyway. It’s just a thought I hadn’t had before. Great post, Mark.

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8. Suspect Device: The Blog » What he said - June 15, 2008

[…] Mark climbs on his spanking fountain and has at another Good American. […]

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9. Wet Bank Guy - June 15, 2008

Be sure to wander over to Big Dog’s and read the comment thread.

I have a new test: find the largest Iowa evacuation center and nail the doors and windows shut. They cut off the power and water. Surround it with National Guard who won’t let them leave. Then check on them in four or five days and see how they’re doing.

Except I don’t really want to do that to the people of Iowa. I want to do that to Big Dog and all his ilk.

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10. Juandostres - June 16, 2008

You come off just as badly as the “fuckmooks” do, whatever the hell a “fuckmook” is. Direct your energy toward something that won’t make people think whiny bitches like you deserve what you got.

But don’t worry, you’ll get another chance to piss and moan yourself to interweb stardom when the increase in the price of corn rivals that of gasoline.

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11. nobody - June 16, 2008

Don’t listen to Juan, he is a Moby. Excellent pwning of the fuckmookish freepers who have never been to N’awlins.

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12. Wet Bank Guy - June 16, 2008

Sorry, Juan. I’m not whinning. I’m just offended when I’m insulted by compulsive liars. There is absolutely no corrolation between what happend in Iowa and what happened in New Orleans, and all of BD’s and his readers efforts to support are based facts later proven to be nothing but spin (to put it politely) to deflect criticism of the federal response.

I’m not the one who came looking for a fight. Big Dog did. And I’m prepared to smack down anyone, anywhere who takes up the old “l[insert other place name here] had a disater just like Katrina” nonsense. If either of use is from Cedar Rapids and you had a Katrina-scale disaster you would still be sitting on your rooftop at this point, the nearest safety 50 away, wondering if you were going to die.

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13. Wet Bank Guy - June 16, 2008

Oh, and I have a simple solution to corn prices. Until we get full compensation for the damage the federal levees caused, and a full share of offshore oil revenue, we should just close the port to exports. Before you start chuckling about how you’d just send it somewhere else, you should research how much of the nation’s row crop harvest spoils on the ground because there are enough rail cars to move it around. If you’re near the Mississippi and not barging it, then you’re eating it yourself. Or the rats are.

We don’t have to do anything radical. The states set the pilotage fees. We should just set them to, say, $1 million a boat for outbound row crop exports for a while, and sit back and watch the fun. We would actually be doing the American consumer a huge favor by collapsing the price of corn.

Oh, and thanks for destroying the Gulf Coast fisheries through expanded corn production. I suggest we salt an acre of land in the midwest for every acre planted in corn, just so that you can appreciate what all of this unecessary corn production for ethanol is doing to us down here.

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14. Joe - June 16, 2008

…piss ant little crick”… Your are so Philly!!

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15. Wet Bank Guy - June 16, 2008

If you’ve made it this far and you came in on a link that leads directly to this post, please read this

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16. Big Dog - June 16, 2008

The military sat on its ass waiting to help? Perhaps you are unaware that the active military is not allowed, by law, to do what you say they should.

The LA NG was mobilized, a state function. Maybe that competent gov or yours should have done it faster.

You keep blaming the feds but most was local and state. Except for the levee construction which has been a problem for 50 years, all failures started locally.

As for Katrina being the worst disaster, it was the worst natural. The worst, on American soil, was 9/11.

It did not affect the same amount of real estate but it killed more people and it hurt the economy of the entire country. Katrina had little effect except on gas.

I am confused though about one thing. Why would it take tanks of gas and loads of money to leave the state. They had to go about 50 miles north and they would have been safe. Having lived in LA for nearly 5 years I know it does not take much to get north, especially in buses…

Seems Texas was able to do that for Rita.

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17. Molly, NYC - June 16, 2008

. . . the C-I-C, who was busy elsewhere huddling with Karl Rove trying to figure out how to spin this instead of trying to figure out how to help.

“Spin” implies that they actually give a crap what you think. Actually, I think they were trying to fine-tune the details of using the disaster to enrich their cronies–apparently it was Halliburton’s and Blackwater’s turns again.

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18. Big Dog - June 16, 2008

Sinn Fein?

Explains a lot about you…

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19. MaryK - June 16, 2008

From a list full of activists about the current situation:

> FYI:
> The following all have major plants in Cedar Rapids:
>
> Quaker Oats is toast (pun intended) – Closed Indefinitely – HUGE
silos of grain up to their necks in flood-water.
> General Mills – my sister said it will not be producing for a LONG
time.
>
> Cargill – Their huge grain storage bins are filled with water and
the RR in and out collapsed
>
> Archer Daniels Midland Company (ADM) is one of the world’s largest
agricultural processors of soybeans, corn, wheat and cocoa. – Under
water.
>
> Penford Corporation: Nature. Science. Solutions. – flooded out – RR
access gone Manufactures modified starches, dextrin, spherical
dextrose, potato starch and fiber, tapioca starch, breading,
cryoprotectants and other food additives.
> – – – – –
> Concidence? You be the judge.
>
> Seems TPTB aren’t even trying to hide what they’re doing anymore.
It’s so obvious! Maybe they think they’ve got most of us so dumb-
down w/ their mind control that we won’t notice! (end of quote)

My response is that it’s Mother Nature cleaning the slate of unnatural farming practices.

Katrina was a terrible disaster because it was an urban area where LOTS of people lived who had no way out. Same thing could have happened in East LA, or southside Chicago. On a much smaller scale, I went through a similar experience in high country Arizona in 2002, when the Rodeo fire caused the evacuation of 30,000 people. Not everybody culd afford a motel room, knowing that their insurance would eventually cover it. Many people had only an hour to get out and had to leave their animals behind. There are even wild buffalo breeding up there because the owners of the Buffalo Ranch, a tourist trap near Heber, most certainly couldn’t load those critters up, so they simply opened the gates.

This is a small comparison… but I didn’t have a running vehicle at the time, and was a single mom with three kids. My job, playing music in bars on weekends, ended abruptly. I must admit that FEMA later gave me the lost wages I’d have earned during those thee weeks, and I was able to catch up on my rent.

Disasters happen. There is no way to be fully ready for something like Katrina. And the human tradegies are always exacerbated by the slacking of agencies designed to help; disasters are made worse by the budget-cutting which guaranteed New Orleans would flood… and what about the reports that the levees were actually breached with explosives? The fire mentioned above was also handled in such a way that many local volunteer firemen became convinced it was an op. The Apache man accused of starting it will never get his day in court because he was declared insane.

Now that the water is rolling down the big river again, I hope folks don’t assume that those newspaper-stuffed levees are safe! Good luck, and don’t wait to leave if you decide that help will not be forthcoming.

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20. Wet Bank Guy - June 16, 2008

Fifty miles to safety? Yes, if you’re planning on sitting out a Category 5 hurricane in your car, which is what was anticipated at the time. Otherwise the direction was to go farther north than the I-10 line

RTA buses were busy moving people to the shelters of last report per the generally well-excuted (and FEMA exercised and approved) evacuation plan. The school buses required a request be routed through FEMA, and are generally not used in evacuations due to the impact on the infirm and elderly of spending the 10 or 12 hours or longer riding on the buses just to get, say, 100 miles away when you try to evacuate a million odd people over 18 available traffic lanes. The buses are a bogus spin argument. Oh, and presuming we could have forced every driver at gunpoint to report for duy and eveyr bus started and ran, which 20,000 people would you have left behind (presuming every seat on every bus was filled on a one-way trip)? And how would you have enforced the boarding of those buses in the face of a few tens of thousands of panicked people who would not get on board?

September 11th was not the worst disater. Far more people have died as a result of Katrina/Rita and the Federal Flood, over 4,000 by the last reasonable count. The economic impact has been far greater. Some might suggest that 9-11 was the worst psychological disaster, at the time, but for the several million victims of Katrina/Rita and the Federal Flood, well, they may disagree.

Again, that’s no insult to the survivors of 9-11. Although I will point out they were quickly and generously compensated by the government for fear they might bring down the airline and insurance industry.

Personally, I am all in favor of the people of the Hurricane Coast causing the collapse of the insurance industry. Perhaps the rest of American would then realize 1) what people down here are going through; and, 2) that the insurance industry as currently constituted is a vast, criminal fraud. We pay in; they don’t pay out. We of course are being told we can’t sue the federal government for the hundreds of billions of dollars of damage done to New Orleans when the Federal Levees failed so there is no compulsion for compensation by the government.

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21. Wet Bank Guy - June 16, 2008

Re: Sinn Fein–It explains nothing. It means “Ourselves Along” or “Only Ourselves” on Irish Gaelic, and was adopted by some people in New Orleans to reflect the fact that we are building a major American city on our own–thankfully with the help of tens of thousands of volunteers–with virtually no assistance from the government (or payments from insurance companies) for the first two years. If you really want to review the mythical $115 billion, I’ll be happy to do so but may not have time until tomorrow.

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22. doctorj - June 16, 2008

There are some REALLY creepy people in this country. The funny part is they all think of themselves as patriots (eagles and flags) as they are wishing death on other Americans. This is one of the reasons I am leaving the Republican Party. You NEVER desert your fellow Americans and some Americans are NEVER more American than others.

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23. Wet Bank Guy - June 16, 2008

One last thing, Big Dog. The Posse Commitatus Act does not prevent the military from providing humanitarian assistance domestically. It prevents the use of the military for law enforcement. That was one of the reason’s our goofy former governor refused Bush’s insistance that the Guard be federalized. She was acting on the same bad rumors of the situation on the ground as a lot of people, and federalizing the Guard would have required they disarm to continue what they were doing.

Oh, and Mee Maw (as some of like to refer disparangly of our former governor) activated the Guard and declared a state of emergecy several days before the storm struck. She also asked for (and received) support from all the other 49 state’s Guard. And the Navy saw no reason Posse Commitatus to not dispatch a hospital ship. The group that fell down were the designated Federal emergency responders, the ones who had agreed in the written, exercised and approved plans to supply food and water after the first few days, and support for evacuation of those still in the city. This obvious relief (obvious enough to have been written into the plans) was beyond their capacity.

One of the great moments (captured on video) was when Lt. Gen. Honore’ arrived at the Convention Center to visit the crowds there. They surged forward and several of the Guardsmen with him raised their rifles.

“Put down that rifle, son,” he said, then spoke to the crowd. Unlike you, he was not afraid of his fellow Americans.

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24. KamaAina - June 16, 2008

Someone else back at our old haunts has discovered you. Bonus: Yet another person over there knows who Ashley was!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3463102&mesg_id=3463102

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25. Wet Bank Guy - June 16, 2008

I am so Philly?

Philly like a cheese steak? That could be a good thing. I’ve also been to the endzone seats for an Eagles game against the Saints in black and gold, and ended up with our own personal police body guard standing at the end of our row (and a nice beer bath). So that might be a bad thing.

I’ll go with good like a cheese steak for now, and if you meant as mean as the guys in the end zone after a few beers well, when I run into this particular line of argument, I’ll take that as a compliment as well.

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26. LSUTigersfan1inAtlanta - June 16, 2008

Big Dog:
You are wrong, wrong, wrong. My entire family either lives or lived in Louisiana and Mississippi and I know, firsthand, of the things that went on after Katrina. You could not be more wrong. Many members of the New Orleans police force are my family members and I know what they went through, as well as alll the other members of my family. My mother has had to come live with me in Georgia because after paying premiums on her home to the same company for over 30 years, she hardly got anything from them. As for the gas situation after the storm, I drove down from Atlanta and the last available gas was in Mobile. No gas was available anywhere near the west coast of Mississippi or in New Orleans for a long while after the strom. I had to take 5 or 6 gas cans with me so that I could make sure I could get back home afterwards. The first weeks following the storm were a horrible nightmare that you can’t possibly imagine. I hope no one ever has to go through that again. So please, instead of making stupid comparisons and speaking from the comfort of your armchair, do something constructive. My brother just got out of his FEMA camper within the last month and now he has to worry that he and his children might be suffering from the toxins that we know were in the camper. By the way, try living in a pull behind camper with 3 other people for 3 years. That’s a whole other hell we won’t get in to. I could sit here and type story after story about things that I saw after Katrina that shocked the hell out of me; and I don’t shock easily. Please be a little more compassionate, especially about things that you have no firsthand knowledge of. You are making yourself look stupid and more so, uncaring.

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27. bruce - June 17, 2008

new orleans had five days warning,president busch offered help to blanco she refused do to bds,there were thousands of flooded cars and busses after the storm some body owned them.your mayor and governor cried like school girls and ran and hid.you are the first responder not fema which takes at least four days to get moving unless the governor asks for help before the storm but she refused such help.you can make all the excuses you want but is a was lack of leadership and self reliant that allowed new orleans to descend into anarchy.

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28. Wet Bank Guy - June 17, 2008

Actually, Bruce, no:
Bruce: new orleans had five days warning,
Fact: It was not officially called to strike New Orleans until the second run of the computer models on Saturdary, 8-27-05. It looked bad Friday night, but you had to be a weather geek to find that information on the internet.

Bruce: president busch offered help to blanco she refused do to bds,
Fact: Blanco formally requested assistance days before the storm passed New Orleans and the city flooded
Bruce: there were thousands of flooded cars and busses after the storm some body owned them.
Fact: Not everyone will leave in a mandatory evacuation. Some people feared losing their jobs, or feared moving an infirm or elderly person. Many people left cars behidn when they evacuated. The school buses are not used in evacuations because they are unsuitable for the elderly and infirm due to lack of airconditioning. The RTA buses were being used to ferry people to the shelter of last resort. There were no plans to use such vehicles to evacuate the last 10% or so, rather to provide a shelter of last resort.

Bruce: your mayor and governor cried like school girls and ran and hid.you are the first responder not fema which takes at least four days to get moving unless the governor asks for help before the storm but she refused such help.
Fact: Yes local government is the first responder. That’s why everyone who did not or could not evacuate was told to bring three days of food and water to the shelters of last resort. Per the FEMA approved and exercised emergency plan, FEMA was to be ready to resupply these locations within three days. Of course, they did no such thing. Again, the governor formally asked for help well in advance of the storm and flood.
Bruce: you can make all the excuses you want but is a was lack of leadership and self reliant that allowed new orleans to descend into anarchy.
Me: Bruce, I have a hot, black roof waiting here with your name on it, waiting for you to take the test. How long will you last? How far can you walk out after a couple of days with no food and water in the 90+ heat, especially if you had to swim and wade out the first couple of miles in that condiion?

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29. celcus - June 18, 2008

Bruce needs a little help with his grammar and spelling.

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30. Just a pissant in this "have" and "have not" clusterf.ck we call America - June 19, 2008

Just another example of “bought” media, focusing not on the “fake” pr stunts orchestrated by Karl Rove in the ignored aftermath of Katrina. Lets not focus on the complete differences between these disasters, the degredation of our infrastructure, and of course the “political” party games being played while thousands of people waited and prayed for help. This was not a river rising amongst the farmland of our country. This was a catastrophic event, impacting a far larger population of people, with little warning, while our own “commander and chief” was in the next state playing on his ranch, totally oblivious to it all. And of course his right hand man, Mr. Rove was using it as a pawn to manuever discord to any democrat within the hurricane’s path. We are all but of little significance in their “vision”. Warped, corrupt, greed, and worse, immoral religious psychopaths.

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31. g - June 21, 2008

People can be paradoxical. I will never forget during Katrina that I spoke to my own mother – a Republican, but not a virulent one – who voiced her opinion that the people who remained in New Orleans had only themselves to blame for not evacuating and not preparing better.

My mother is 80 and is so agoraphobic she barely leaves her home. She lives in East Texas – fortunately far enough north not to have been hit by the brunt of Rita, but even so a week after I had that phone conversation with her, she ended up stranded without electricity for three days, and couldn’t get to the grocery because her car was in the garage behind an electric door.

I didn’t remind her of her past words, but the truth is, if she’d lived in New Orleans, she would have been among those who remained.

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32. Bill - August 31, 2008

Most garaage doors have a lock in the middle-top that you can access with a key to open when the juice is off. If ur mother doesn’t have one, you ought to get one.

Well, I hope that lessons have been learned. And I think that we need to think seriiously about not rebuilding parts of N.O. that are way below c level.

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